Brain Sex

I don’t believe in gender.  Not the concept, not the identity, nothing.  There is no such thing as gender outside the labeling scheme cooked up by academics.

Something needs to be cleared up here about what I believe to be the transsexual condition.  I am sure many people believe that transsexual means man or woman with a birth defect, and I share that viewpoint to some extent.  But I want to isolate this issue to the barest minimum to facilitate understanding.

I believe the transsexual condition is a state of being brought on in an organism when two of its systems are out of alignment, putting it out of homeostasis and creating the symptoms that we call “transsexualism”.  That is it.  The fact that so many of us perceive ourselves as nothing more than men and women is another issue.  There is no gender involved, no identity issues, and no psychological component to the transsexual condition.  There is no sexual orientation as an organizing principle, nor a magic checklist.  It simply is, or it isn’t.

When I say I am a woman it is because after correction, having achieved a state of homeostasis and now being comfortable, that is where the balance of traits that I now possess has been grouped and labeled by society.  This is also the same way that society labels the balance of traits of babies when they are born.  In this, we are no different than other men or women who accept society’s system for such things.

That is why we are men and women, and there is no more to it.  All the gender theorizing and navel gazing is wrong about this, and it is irrelevant.  There is no “brain sex” as such, for brain sex is a term, while having the appearance of hard definition, that is steeped in gender identity theory,  gendered politics, and their underlying assumptions.  I reject these kinds of subtle forays of the gender paradigm into science.

Being a minority by accident of birth is nothing new to humanity.  People recognize many “minorities” and much politicking has been done over identity.  It is important that the concepts of minority and majority remain tied to their overall meaning, that of who holds power, and do not themselves become mired in the specific identities of the various situations where identity politics is practiced.

Transsexual is not an identity to be bandied about by people looking for an issue.  It is an awful state of being for a person, one that must be corrected.  There is only one transsexual condition.  One.

Some people seek to redefine transsexual from its current useless meaning of  “anyone who has a sex change” to something with more validity.  I am one of those people.  The others include the TG, as well as certain sexologists and others in the Psych Industry.  Right now all the power for labeling rests with the people who have the least to lose by our destruction and the most to gain by our continued misrepresentation.  While the TG politicians are a problem, the chief danger they present is that they open us to attack by our real enemies; those who “study” us in sexology.

As I’ve written before, I believe that Paul McHugh is trying to give cover to the Catholic Church in the ongoing pedophile priest scandal.  He is seeking a scapegoat.  McHugh knows that he can’t pin this on gay men as a whole because society will not allow that, despite the recent push by Blanchard for “ephebophilia” to be included in the next DSM.  But what if they could redefine transsexual women as gay men?

Certainly this would be a great boon, as the bargaining chip of ephebophilia is withdrawn (because it was merely a starting point to scare gay men) .  And now transsexual “men”, the gayest of the gay, are offered up as sacrifice, the price for gays to remain free from stigma.  The gay men, being our keepers, will not hesitate to make that bargain.

And how is this accomplished?  The scurrilous James Cantor, who works in the area of pedophilia, has already attempted to label our brains as being similar to pedophiles.  He offered up the hypothesis that our brains show markers for abnormal sexuality, rather than “gender markers”, both prospects being off base of course.

Another problem with the BNSTc finding is that the BNSTc is also smaller in pedophiles. So the BNSTc could be related to atypical sexuality generally rather than to gender identity specifically. (For the record: This should not be misinterpreted comparing transsexualism to pedophilia.)

Do you all see the kind of underhanded, backbiting tactics and agenda we are up against? Of course we all know that it is the BSTc, and not the BNSTc that is in question. But by spreading this sort of vicious rumor Cantor seeks to poison the public mind to us and begin our labeling as sexual deviants, his disclaimers be damned. Political types, especially those in psychology, know how the public reacts and how easy it is to manipulate people.

This has been an ongoing effort of McHugh, Blanchard, and their cronies for a long time now. By reclassifying the symptoms of transsexualism and transvestitism into a single category, and renaming it “autogynephilia”, they have completed the colonization and erasure of men and women like us that the TG started. And now they come to their endgame.

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36 Responses to Brain Sex

  1. Like we’ve talked about before. i guess now it’s public.

    Enough time has been wasted getting mired in stupid squabbling with shrill activists. We need to focus on the real evil.

    No help will be coming from LGBT champions. The vast majority don’t even seem to realize what’s happening. Or care.

  2. Aria Blue says:

    Absolutely. Oh and here’s a bump for Cassandra’s new post, it’s a must read:

    http://cassandraspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/why-agp-is-wrong/

  3. annierose55 says:

    As most of you must recognize by now, I have been visiting and occasionally commenting on these various blogs for some months now. I am still a neophyte, but I am beginning to get some feel for the stakes involved.

    They are immense. Based upon what I have recently read we, a tiny minority, are in serious trouble. We are confronted with a juggernaut, mounting a well orchestrated assault on our very existence, not to mention the integrity of future generations.

    As some of you may remember a browse widely just trying to get some understanding of the various positions involved. I recently have been trying to muddle through the pseudo/scientific politicized double and triple speak going on at the above mentioned ‘cloudy’s blog’. I have to strongly agree with Aria…this is SCAREY stuff.

    What follows is, I believe a clear example of the kind of MADNESS being peddled. I mean I have advanced degrees from large well known Universities and what is being sold is incomprensible “jargonese”.

    Quoting cloudy’y post“………….it is very, very likely that the feminise androphilic transsexual (HSTS) population has the same or similar etiology as conventionally identified gay men (and “men who have sex with men”

    AnnaRose said…..If this IS in fact true, and I am far from convinced, then, WHAT is the difference?

    If the etiology is the same then why do some “men become women”, and others, “gay drag queens”? Or is that your point that “true” HSTS men are just “gay men in dresses”.

    All this “science” has got this ol’ gal totally confused. I mean is it a duck or is it not a duck?

    Reply
    sillyolme said, on January 19, 2010 at 6:33 pm Anna Rose,

    Please be careful not to fall into essentialist thinking about etiologies. Think of it this way… if HSTS are completely feminized neurologically… would they then be “men in dresses”? Or would that be the classic description of transsexuals as “women in men’s bodies”?

    Look at it another way… to say that gay men and HSTS folk have the same root etiology is not to say that they are identical. If the HSTS are extremely feminized neurologically, but gay men are only mildly femininized (incompletely masculinized)… are they the same or different?

    We have to be careful with separating socially formed and maintained gender identities and putative biological etiologies. We are trying to understand, not to judge, who we are.

    But you do ask the central question that I would really like to have answered, “If we have the same, or similar, etiology, WHAT is the difference?!?!?”

    Reply

    • joanne says:

      Thanks for that input Annierose 🙂

      I think the problem with theoretical psychologists is that they need something that can be measured. Whatever their hypotheses turns out to be – it must be based on measurable phenomenon.

      In the case of this discourse the most obvious measurable phenomenon are sexuality and social behavior change (ie transition).

      Having settled on those two things a kind of tunnel vision develops: firstly they measure what they can see, afterward they only see what they have measured.

      All to often they fall for the basic trap of confusing correlation with causality, which is something the HTS model appears to do.

      Finally as I interpret what Ariablue is saying, classical transsexualism has only ever partially and peripherally been a social presentation issue.

      Massive confusion is caused because the awful dissonance between the somatic sex and whatever part of our brain is rejecting it, cannot be seen and is not measured.

      There have been far too may red herrings dragged across the course of this inquiry in the past 60 years. All of them by theoretical psychologists.

      There is a desperate need for a return to some basic science – perhaps even stepping back to Pr-Money – and to start again!

      A clean slate – sans the politics – and with professional minds fixed firmly on the first principle, rather than advancing their own careers would be a fine thing.

  4. annierose55 says:

    My point is WE DO NOT HAVE SIMILAR etiologies. There is far from enough science available to make such far reaching conclusions. What is known is that EDC’s, (endocrine disrupting chemicals) affect fetal development. This MAY be related to various genetic anomalies. THAT’S IT. That is as far as the “science” can safely go. (OK maybe a tiny tad further, BUT NOT MUCH). Anything beyond that is just agenda driven drivel.

  5. Aria Blue says:

    I saw that too Annie, and you have to realize all that babble is standard CAMH coaching. If you ever engage with those people you’ll see the pattern. “What you see is not what you really see… wanna buy some snakeoil?”

    The point of my definition of transsexual is that it removes all that nonsense and focuses on our real condition, that of having the imbalance between systems in our body. Gay men have no such imbalance, and we are not related in any way.

    Those CAMH lies need to be challenged by qualified professionals, not TG activists with gender identity talking points no matter how well intentioned. That is why it is so frustrating to see these doctors and biologists on “our side” in this wasting their time trying to prove John Money’s discredited gender paradigm.

    We could be so much more productive if we could just get past the need to revisit that over and over. And the only reason we do that is because we try to explain the transgender “condition” rather than the transsexual condition, wasting time on a theoretical sociological construct and destroying our credibility with the public.

    When are we going to get our priorities straight? It’s ridiculous that the big legal push in this area is to ensure that certain people have the “right” to wear a certain type of clothes wherever they want. This is madness in the face of what we are up against!

    On another note, if you get enough energy to do a blog I’d love to visit you there. It sounds like you have some things to say on this topic that should be heard.

  6. cassandraspeaks says:

    Annie, I agree. This supposed science is very flawed and in more than one way. It’s like a blinkered horse in a race unable to see what’s going on around. I don’t fear it for myself I am far too far past all of this in my real life. I do fear for those young people who follow. They do not deserve to be treated in the manner this proposed flawed diagnosis seems to indicate they would.

    We are not talking about psychological issues we are in fact dealing with medical ones. The only reasona transsexual may need psychotherapy is for the trauma a diagnosis like this would cause.

    Well thought out Essay Aria. Great contribution Annie thank you.

  7. SA-ET says:

    ”I don’t fear it for myself I am far too past all of this in my real life. I do fear for those young people who follow.”

    Many of us are in accord with this statement, a fact that is misunderstood by those who question why we do what we do if we have “moved on.”

    ”We are not talking about psychological issues we are in fact dealing with medical ones.”

    “…medical ones” or, by implication, biological ones…

    Those neophytes – those TS who have just, or recently, transitioned – easily fall victim to being confused as to where they lie within the gender debate, i.e. whether they should support the transgender and see themselves as part of a “community”, or whether they are individuals who simply have a biological tic they feel compelled to address. The issue is the juggernaut that annierose55 discusses. It is easy, yet understandable, for someone who is contemplating or is new to the transition process to fall in line with the TG movement. Someone who is contemplating or has recently transitioned, particularly those from small or rural communities, rightfully seek all the information available…they seek guidance, direction…transitioning, though in my opinion not a particularly difficult endeavor, is alien and the need for instruction (for lack of a better word) is imperative; information is everything.

    When they seek out this information, exclusively they find it on websites that are not transsexual in nature, but fully supportive of the concept of transgender. They are then massively subjected to the transgender spectrum philosophy, the need to belong to the GLBT community, and the pledge to “give something back”…all of which forever bonds them with a group who permanently prefix their name with trans. This not only relegates themselves to something other than simply female, but also prohibits them from making the jump to their target sex and moving on. By the time they realize this, more often than not an investment in that mindset has already taken place…an investment that few, though not all, are reluctant to relinquish.

    Here is a story of one lady who was able to break free from being trans. Recently, I spent a bit of time looking and reading all kinds of trans related blogs. In that effort, I came across a blog called A Transitional Journey With Alex. Here is the link to the site http://alextsgirl.blogspot.com/

    The most recent and last post on that blog was entitled …and she lived happily ever after. The End. In that blog post, an attractive post op female from Scotland describes how she is cleaning up the internet of all references to her male past. She goes on to say, emphasis mine:

    ”The reasoning behind that thought process [cleaning up her internet past] is to allow me to fully get on with my new life without being drawn back into and being associated with anything TG.”

    After I read that post, I was interested to read what lead this woman to make the decision to disassociate from all things transgender (one just doesn’t see that on blogs very often)…so I went to the next post…entitled most appropriately, A Wake Up Call. In that post, Alex indicates that she has been complaining on her internet accounts about how “sick and fed up” she is with people asking her if she was a “…man” or a “…Tranny” or if she had a “…d**k.” In essence, Alex indicates she is upset because she is seen as something other than a female. She then indicates she was enlightened as to why she was seen in that light when, in the same post, she says that “…one of my [her] friends” said the following to her, emphasis mine:

    “Alex. The sad fact is the longer you keep hold of that TS label that you cling to so badly you are always going to get some sad dickhead asking you bone questions like they might a bloke in a frock…the sooner you start becoming Alex Young and bury Alex T-Girl, Alex TS Girl, whatever and leave the feckin admirers behind and just become a women the…more better!”

    ”You’ve been thru everything youve been thru , SRS, BA and FFS , all that money, cost, pain emotional and physical yet you can’t let go of the TS element…Wake up Alex the longer you hold on the longer you’re going to have dickheads asking about your genitals, what you’re wearing blah, etc….”

    ”You’re a Woman, forget post op, pre op, xy chromosones just be a girl and lose the T ….cos now that winkie is gone thats all you are , plain , boring and simply a woman…get on with life and just embrace normality.”

    That was wise advice Alex’s friend gave her. So, that is, apparently, just what Alex did. This post op female, thanks to the advice of a friend, left all things trans after seeing first hand that any association to it simply marginalized her as something, anything, other than simply being a female…regardless of her operative status.

    Alex, fell into the same trap that I discuss above; fortunately she was able to intellectually recognize this and move on…many don’t. They buy into the gender libertine’s gender theories and remain transgender, regardless of their operative past…and as long as they participate…and as long as they identify as trans no one but no one except the transgender themselves will ever see them as female, but something other than that.

    Newly transitioning transsexuals should ignore the so-called gender theorist and resist assimilation into the transgender community completely, adhering to the fact and reality that there are transsexuals and then everyone else. We are female, always were and always will be…no more or less; it’s what differentiates us from them. We are not better, but very, very much different.

    • It’s exactly what i’ve had planned.

      This response needs to be spread all across the net.

      Everywhere.

    • is0this0me says:

      I know I’m a late entry so: sorry.

      I also know that I really have no place commenting on all of this and that I lack experience, but would just like to say that, I feel this comment discribes exactly where I’ve found myself lately. as someone in the early stages, it’s hard to weed the B/S from the truth.

      Thank you all for keeping me on track, what your all doing, matters.

      I’ll go back to my nice warm corner now.

      Cheers

  8. zoesuzanna says:

    Thank you Cassandra for pointing this example out. I feel there is a strong resistance to think for oneself – to allow oneself to stand on one’s own feet and be a woman.

    There is a TG group consciousness that seems to grab hold of a person, imbue them with various ideas on what to expect in life and especially how to live it too.

    Some people are quite content residing in that group consciousness – they feel a connection to something, a sense of belonging they have been longing for. However, there are some – including myself – that do not feel comfortable living in that consciousness.

    For me it is a type of brainwashing that is eerily similar to what I experienced in a religious cult I got caught up in years ago. The sense of wonder, belonging, newness and excitement seem to be the same in both cases.

    It’s easy to suspend judgment in these cases and go with the flow – where ever it takes you. It’s easy to stop thinking. I know – I’ve been there – I know what it’s like.

    At some point, like the aforementioned article presented by Cassandra, some people “wake up” as I call it and see what is really going on around them and discover that it is not for them. It can be a painful discovery too, especially if one has invested a great amount of energy, resources and money into the mind set that was so strongly believed in.

    My discovery of the religious cult mind set was very painful and was able to extract myself similar to the woman in the article. I have been removing all traces of that past as much as possible.

    My discovery of the TG mindset was relatively quick in comparison and therefore much less painful.

    While some like to label some of us here as “separatists” – I don’t see it that way. It is just we happen to see through all the hype, the fluff, the nonsense.

    This is why I encourage people not to just blindly pick a stance, a side if you will and then defend it to no end without really thinking and seeing if it makes sense. Many of us here have thought about it strongly for a long time and thus have come to our conclusions – many of us here are not flying blind.

    Conversely there are others who are proud to be TG and defend their positions, attack and what-not from an emotional stance, not a logical one.

    It is dangerous for anyone to accept any doctrine lock-stock-and-barrel without fully understanding what it is you are accepting. This holds true for the TG paradigm as any religious ideology.

  9. zoesuzanna says:

    Thank you SA-ET for pointing this example out. I feel there is a strong resistance to think for oneself – to allow oneself to stand on one’s own feet and be a woman.

    I feel there is a general TG group consciousness that seems to grab hold of a person, imbue them with various ideas on what to expect in life and especially how to live it too.

    Some people are quite content residing in that group consciousness – they feel a connection to something, a sense of belonging they have been longing for. However, there are some – including myself – that do not feel comfortable living in that consciousness.

    I feel it is a subtle type of brainwashing that is eerily similar to what I experienced in a religious cult I got caught up in years ago. The sense of wonder, belonging, newness and excitement seem to be the same in both cases.

    It’s easy to suspend judgment in these cases and go with the flow – where ever it takes you. It’s easy to stop thinking. I know – I’ve been there – I know what it’s like.

    At some point, like the aforementioned article presented by SA-ET, some people “wake up” as I call it and see what is really going on around them and discover that it is not for them. It can be a painful discovery too, especially if one has invested a great amount of energy, resources and money into the mind set that was so strongly believed in.

    My discovery of the religious cult mind set was very painful and was able to extract myself similar to the woman in the article. I have been removing all traces of that past as much as possible.

    My discovery of the TG group consciousness was relatively quick in comparison and therefore much less painful.

    While some like to label some of us here as “separatists” – I don’t see it that way. It is just we happen to see things differently.

    I encourage people not to just blindly pick a stance, a side if you will and then defend it to no end without really thinking and seeing if it makes sense. Many of us here have thought about it strongly for a long time and thus have come to our conclusions – many of us here are not flying blind.

    It is dangerous for anyone to accept any doctrine lock-stock-and-barrel without fully understanding what it is you are accepting. This holds true for the TG paradigm as any religious ideology.

  10. annierose55 says:

    I should explain that I consider myself a neophyte to this debate as I have only just recently entered it, (albeit, somewhat clumsily), several months ago. Prior to that I had been living in blissful ignorance; a ‘privileged white woman’ enjoying and enduring just what such a dubious status might imply. Having “moved on” decades ago, why am I here?

    I am here because of all the websites and blogs, this and the few others like it where I occasionally post reflect most closely my own personal perspective and feelings.

    I am a woman, plain and simple. That I was forced to try and pretend to be and act male in my earlier years does not change that fact. Those were the cards, (genes) that I was dealt. How I addressed that particular dichotomy is what defines who I am.

    The word, ‘trans-sexual’, for me is primarily a NOUN.
    It defines an individual who literally CROSSES OVER from one somatic, (physical) SEX to another. I am not talking about brain sex or gender identity. I am talking about the total and complete physical CHANGE from a (physically functioning) male to female or female to male. This word, for me, defines a person in a temporary state of change. NOT an END STATE of being.

    The word can also be used (carefully, in my opinion) as an adjective. I do not like this use because of its various implications and inherent vulnerability to misinterpretation. A transsexual man is a man who CHANGED his body from that of a woman.

    The word “Transgender” or “Transgendered” was not a word I had heard or read until around 2007. Truly, that is how insulated my life had been. I am told it was coined sometimes in the early 80’s. I really don’t know, but the bottom line was that I was somewhat taken aback to learn that it had somehow REPLACED ‘transsexual’ and was defined to include transvestites, gender queers and she-males. YIKES!!!

    Now, having said that, and hopefully having established my bone fides I would again like to venture into dangerous territory.

    I have read many describe themselves as women born with a ‘birth defect’. I can accept that as a valid definition. If I look at myself, I can say, “Yes, I can describe myself that way.” I can say that when I finally figured out that it was this physical anomaly between my legs, and the inability to function in this world properly because of that anomaly, it just became a matter of “fixing” or ‘re-arranging’ my genitalia. Yes. I am good with that.

    My question then is this. What about all those years I spent trying to be male because that was the only available option short of madness or death? Do I regret those years? No. Do I wish I could have just been born and reared female? It certainly would have made my life different. (Easier maybe), but honestly, I really don’t know for sure. I most certainly am NOT saying that I enjoyed the pathos and the confusion; the ‘othering’; feeling ‘different’ or ‘wrong’. NO I certainly did not enjoy that, but I truly do believe that those early painful experiences have made me a better, stronger more compassionate person. I know how my husband really feels when he cannot ‘reach’ me. I can recognize and empathize with his frustration. It truly is an interesting perspective.

    I wish that young people, children as young as 4, 5, 6, when they come out to their parents, like I did are nurtured and not “CURED”.

    I wish that adolescents and young adults, who have struggled with this dysphoria, this sexual dissonance for years, could be helped by knowledgeable caregivers and physicians and not psycho-babbling charlatans. That is why I am here.

  11. Aria Blue says:

    lol Annie 🙂

    Someone commented that we probably won’t be able to stop the spreading of this sexologist-led crusade against us through the blogosphere. Actually that’s fine. All we can do is make sure all the players are properly labeled and their agendas are out in the open.

    We’ve been pretty clear about our agenda, and it’s only fair that the TG leadership and the sexologists come out with their true motives and goals. So far, we are the only ones who are open about what we want and why. Now why do you suppose that is?

  12. cassandraspeaks says:

    Annie, none of us here are in this to win popularity contests. We say what we believe to be truth just as you have done. Unfortunately as you are finding out, the truth is not ever going to win a popular vote. I am so often reminded of the old saying; “there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see”

    This isn’t hate we are speaking here none of us feel hate towards anyone else. I am certain I don’t and very sure the regular contributors both here and on my own blog do not hate anyone either. Still, so often we are occused of hate, perhaps because people hate truth? Is that it? Is truth too painful to face? So often people silence truth because they cannot bear to hear it; it’s too painfull.

    Perhaps by speaking as we do do we burst the bubbles of fantasy that protect lives of illusion.

    Personally I am very glad you have persevered with us Annie.

  13. joanne says:

    That Cloudy – isn’t she a hoot! I doesn’t matter how you juggle Cloudy’s argument – it comes down to just two things.

    Feed the AGP’s to the surgeons and the HSTS’s (the so-called androphilic transsexuals) to the reparative behavioral therapists.

    Staggers me that the woman can go to sleep at nights. Then again most of this discourse is driven by self interest, so maybe its not such a big surprise!

  14. phdinfunk says:

    I agree wholeheartedly that we transwomen are absolutely not the same as gay men. I live in Atlanta and the hypermasculine gay culture is simply nothing like me. Also, the men and women I’ve been with all comment, even if I don’t mention that I’m trans, that I’m like making love to a woman (for those that have prior experience).

    I think that’s striking in itself, since when we look at neurological differences, I understand a lot of these are responsible for a lot of our basic sexual behaviors.

    I have found myself in panicking painful anxiety about this alien flesh tube attached to my sewn shut body. I’ve really felt a lot of hurt about it. I know what you’re talking about, like the most basic simple movement towards the most basic simple thing is thwarted by some accident of biology. I have long suspected that’s probably exactly what someone with a lost arm and a phantom limb probably feels when they reach for a glass of water.

    However, I have adopted a genderqueer identity out of both necessity and a certain insight I had.

    First, the insight. I spoke at length with a good friend of mine. This lady had experienced severe damage giving birth, and her vagina had actually healed shut, then through a very painful process she’d reopened it over the course of about a year.

    Still, she was determined to express herself as a sexual woman, though for a long time she was sealed shut, and now she has little feeling. She detailed to me how she’d learned to relate to her body in entirely different ways, and gradually developed a rather different sexuality, but she still felt that she could express herself.

    She helped me come to terms with the fact that I’m not the same as other women but that my body in its current state need not limit my expression of myself.

    Then the necessity. I’m taking hormones, and doing what I can, but I am both poor and not convinced that surgery, as it is now, is very good. From what I can tell, looking at the procedures available, Dr. Suporn’s methods might be pretty good… however, I’m pretty cautious about the idea of cutting on my genitals. I gave up trying to speak with people on forums about this as my questions were often met with a lot of hate.

    Yes, I have gone through times where I poured boiling water on myself and even thought cutting the thing off entirely would be preferable to the nightmare that being transsexual can sometimes be. However, looking at it all from a sober perspective, after years of calming down and carefully considering what I can do, I don’t want to hurt myself!

    And finally, I think that for me, “passing” as a normal woman will simply always be out of the question, due to my physical traits. Now, I’m applying to law school, so maybe when I have enough money to afford whatever facial surgeries and all might allow me to simply live as a normal woman, I might consider it.

    However, I’ll add, I have spoken with the offices of all the major sex reassignment clinics, and I know which ones will perform surgery on me if I state that I intend to continue living outwardly as a man for practicalities of professional purposes. Some of the top surgeons only require a statement that I am sane and know the consequences of my actions.

    So all in all, I think you’re discounting, without justification, that a lot of us end up taking on genderqueer identities for reasons outside whether we’re actually transsexual or not. This has been a many years long ordeal for me and I am only trying to survive and thrive in the best way I can! And for me, as a transsexual woman, right now that means living as someone who is visibly and openly genderqueer or transgendered.

    At least I have some comfort in freedom of action, and my lovers all know from the beginning that they’re getting a woman, at least on some level (which is incredibly important to people). And I’d rather relate to other women in a feminine way as well. Again, I’m getting some of my needs met by this compromise.

    And yes, I think that people who appear gender queer, like me, should have equal rights and equal protections before the law. Why shouldn’t I?

  15. leighspov says:

    … and if you like that one I have bridge I want to sell

    did a spaceship land ?

  16. joanne says:

    Sigh!

    1. I’m a transsexual.
    2. I don’t want to change my sex.
    3. I should be treated as if I’d changed my sex.

    How many more times will this B/S be trotted out?

  17. Aria Blue says:

    What do transgender/genderqueer believers mean by “equal rights” anyway? I suspect it isn’t something meant in the usual sense of the phrase.

  18. lisalee18wheeler says:

    I think it’s something like “some pigs are more equal than other”…

  19. joanne says:

    What do transgender/genderqueer believers mean by “equal rights” anyway?

    It goes something like this:

    (a) If CT’s got it we want it.

    (b) If CT’s haven’t got it right now, we’ll want it just as soon as they do get it.

  20. annierose55 says:

    Oh and by the way. You clearly are not a “transwoman”, as if just a thing even existed. THERE AIN’T NO SUCH THING! Its just a figment of someone’s over-sexxxed imagination.

  21. phdinfunk says:

    Interesting how you boil this down:

    “1. I’m a transsexual.
    2. I don’t want to change my sex.
    3. I should be treated as if I’d changed my sex.”

    I said none of this other than the first one.

    I indicated that I would like to change my sex but the problem lies in available technology and in funding. These are very real considerations for many transsexuals (actually, as I understand it FtMs more than MtFs, as there are even more uncertain tradeoffs involved).

    As for 3, no I don’t wish to be treated “as if I changed my sex.” I would like to be treated as if my choice of gendered activities which have no relation to my job have no relation to my job. I would also like to not be threatened violence in the street. Actually, even if someone changed their sex, if they don’t manage to “pass” then they will likely suffer many of the same discriminations and dangers as me, based on people’s judgments of their bodily characteristics.

    I think a lot of the violence, particularly against visible transwomen, comes from a similar psychological source as the violence against femme gay men (these together probably account for a lion’s share of violence against the queer community). I believe that straight identified men sometimes find members of both groups attractive and cannot tolerate the attraction. Thus they want to kill the person that sparks it in them.

    Of course, with or without a sex change, if you blend in, then that specific form of violence isn’t a problem. I would like to blend in, also, however, I have to accept that avenue isn’t open to me. If and when it is, I’ll take it. So, as said, I try and make the most functional decisions possible. Why does that need to incur such deep disdain?

  22. joanne says:

    I know what you’re talking about, like the most basic simple movement towards the most basic simple thing is thwarted by some accident of biology. I have long suspected that’s probably exactly what someone with a lost arm and a phantom limb probably feels when they reach for a glass of water.

    I have the same experiences as you: Ergo I’m transsexed.

    However, I have adopted a genderqueer identity out of both necessity and a certain insight I had…

    …I am both poor and not convinced that surgery, as it is now, is very good. From what I can tell, looking at the procedures available, Dr. Suporn’s methods might be pretty good… however, I’m pretty cautious about the idea of cutting on my genitals

    I am protecting my genitals Ergo I don’t want to change my sex!

    I think that people who appear gender queer, like me, should have equal rights and equal protections before the law. Why shouldn’t I?

    Despite all these choices I have made I think that I should be treated in the same manner as somebody who has gone through the process of SRS.

    Your making choices and manipulating other people’s experiences to suit your self. In the process you have no trouble with turning their experiences into a sequence of choices as well – if only by inference.

    Sorry whoever you are – but I’ve read too many of these convoluted, self-absorbed justifications. Whatever you decide to do – then go do it.

    Please! Just don’t use the CT experience to legitimize yourself.

  23. annierose55 says:

    Dear phd…

    If you are serious in what you say, then go here and learn. The choice is yours. It should take you a week or so to get a preliminary understanding of what it really means to change your sex.

    Frankly I would not recomend it to you. It is most definately NOT for everybody. My advice to you for what it is worth is to stay the way you are, take refuge in the TG “community” and stop trying to be someone you are not.

    http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SRS.html#anchor48200

    http://www.mtftransition.com/t-girl.htm

    http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Warning.html

  24. joanne says:

    Maybe this is another idea?

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/menwantingvaginas/

    Or a visit to the BIID people?

  25. leighspov says:

    If you really want to know what accounts for the lions share of violence toward transsexual persons, it is people like you mr gender queer, that go around proclaiming they are transsexual when they are nothing of the sort.

    Why not instead go sit in a wheelchair for the rest of your life and claim you are disabled. If you are sick or disabled, there are a number of different benefits and tax credits you may be able to claim.

    Besides all that you will get the support and sympathy of a nation when you expand your lies into the causes of your disability, hell you could even become a war hero in your own mind.

  26. catkisser says:

    Hey you all…..step away from the crossdresser…

    You’re officially cured now, remember?

    Certificates of Gender Congruency will be available for a nominal fee upon proof of full correction and if you stop mucking about with trannys

    • leighspov says:

      aww .. you spoil all the fun

    • joanne says:

      Actually Catkisser 🙂

      I needs a certificate of gender congruency like I needs a hole in the head. 🙂

      The more I look at this B/S the more it smells like it looks. You resolve your issues – no thanks to the sexologists – and you go about your business wanting nothing more to do with them.

      So they offer you a certificate telling you that you’ve resolved your issues and don’t need any more to do with them?

      Maybe we could offer them a certificate – telling them they’re idiots and not wanted in our lives? 🙂

  27. lisalee18wheeler says:

    O_O!

  28. dayangels says:

    So for y’all does it really come down to: “If it ain’t worth killing yourself over it, you aren’t TS”

    Because after the diatribes in response to PhDInFunk, that’s sure what it sounds like…

    • Aria Blue says:

      No, it’s a birth condition. Don’t worry, the medical tests for it are coming up and people won’t be confused about this simple issue in the future.

    • leighjane says:

      No… It comes down to if SRS is not that important to someone, they are not TS.